SKY DIGITAL IN SOUTHERN SPAIN

Background:

      This document is about all the problems related to the reception of sky digital in southern Spain, what works, what doesn't and what you have to do to get the most of your installation.

      This document is not intended to be a "basic" installation guide, rather covers very deep technical aspects of the digital satellite television. I've read and hear a lot of bullshit about the topic, and wanted to clear up the situation doing the things myself.

Initial Considerations :

        I've been a subscriber of Sky since the beginning of 1993, the reason for that was mainly to improve my English speaking skills and to see quality television as well. At that time Sky broadcasted from the Satellite Astra from it's orbital position of 19.2 degrees, to achieve reasonable quality you needed a minimum of 90 cm dish. Then in 1998 the "digital" revolution started, Sky started broadcasting from a new Astra orbital position of 28.2 degrees and had a new footprint centered mainly in England. Due to the problems related to the change my subscription to digital, I took some time to do it, and do so in October 2000. Suddenly when moved the dish I discovered that some of the channels were not receivable or lost it's signal at some times in the day. After seeking for solid information abt the situation, I discovered that no one has written anything abt the topic, so I decide to take some equipment and do some tests

Equipment used to do the test:

Signal meter and Spectrum Analyzer Promax, prolink 3
2 mtrs prime focus Precision-Antennas antenna
1.20 mtrs offset Tecatel antenna AL-G135FNZ
SMW LNB's and orthomode
PHILLIPS Universal .7 db LNB C120
Fujitsu digital camera
Personal Computer with custom VB program

The red dot, is where the tests were done, a place called Gandia, 63 Km South of Valencia

Goals of the tests:

  The goals of the tests were the following:
- Understand if it was worth use a 2.0 mtr antenna against a smaller one
- Understand how critical the adjustment is
- Understand how different LNB's perform
- Understand why different channels perform differently during the day
- Understand what is the maximum number of channels receivable

Tks to Jose Gorrita who helped me trough all the ordeal and to Gines to let me the Spectrum Analyzer

Coverage Footprints:

The images on the left are the foot prints of the Astra 2's satellites, copositioned at 28.2 degrees, there are to main groups, first Astra 2A and 2B wich have transponders north and south, both satellites have exactly the same footprint (as claimed by Astra.

Astra 2D is a different animal, the footprint is centered at UK and seems targeted at UK only viewers

First image is Astra 2A / 2B South, second is Astra 2A / 2B North and third is Astra 2D

If you considered that the antenna dimensions that Astra gives are "safe", that meant that wewill be able to pick signals from Both North and South Beams with a 1 mtr dish, and that probably will be no way to get signals from Astra 2D

To get a good understanding that which beams carry which programs have a look at lyngsat , which has been a very valuable source of information

First thing was to set up both systems, the place we did the tests was the emitter center of Radio Gandia, of which Gorrita is his technician

Astra 2A / 2B South Beam
Astra 2A / 2B North Beam
Overall view of the emitter center, with the 2mtr antenna view That's the rear view of the 2mtr antenna, Me at the right and Gorrita at the left

With those coverage footprints you can expect full reception all day in any transponder on Astra 2A and 2B, and no reception on Astra 2D.

The Eurobird satellite, which is owned by eutelsat, is leased by Astra and carries some Sky channels, but I'm not going to talk about the eurobird here, since it will be replaced by Astra 2C in the near future

Reality is somewhat different, and you don't get what you think, those are the reception figures that you get with 60cm offset, 1.20 mtr, offset and 2.0 mtr prime focus. Those figures assume that you have a good LNB and you have pointed the antenna and adjusted the skew correctly.

Astra 2D UK Footprint

Figures with 60 cm antenna     (times are GMT)
2A South TP's: All day
2B South TP's: All day
2A North TP's: No reception
2B North TP's: From 03:00 to 21:30
2D TP's: No reception

Figures with 1.20 m antenna     (times are GMT)
2A South TP's: All day
2B South TP's: All day
2A North TP's: From 00:00 to 01:00 , from 03:15 to 12:00, from 18:30 to 23:59
2B North TP's: From 02:00 to 22:00
2D TP's: No reception

The 1.2 antenna we did the tests with
Figures with 2.0 m antenna     (times are GMT)
2A South transponders: All day
2B South transponders: All day
2A North transponders: From 00:00 to 14:00 , from 17:30 to 23:59
2B North transponders: All day
2D Transponders: From 08:00 to 11:00
Front view of the 2.0 m antenna
When I say that I got reception means that the picture is OK, when I start to see "artifacts" or blocks I consider that the reception is finished. All the tests where doing with a sunny day, no clouds or rain ( I'm in Spain, eh!)
Close up of the feedhorn and LNB's of the 2 m antenna
TV set, and Digibox we did the tests with Mark Label of the 2.0 m antenna

Tech Analysis:

Well, now what, the results that I'm getting are consistent trough the days, I mean there is no difference in the type of day (sunny or cloudy) or the position of the moon, the season, the temperature of the day etc. Even some other people in the area have seen the same results. Then the question is : WHY ?

I do not understand why the signal shifts so much during the day and no one that I've spoken with has comed with a "reasonable" answer to that.

I do not understand why the Astra 2A and 2B north transponders have different signal levels and why Astra is not giving accurate data on the footprint of its satellite fleet. I did contacted Astra once asking all this questions and this is the answer I got:

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Our footprint on the web is fine for the North Beam of 2A.You might have a
problem with your installation. As the south beam EIRP is much stronger
than the north beam EIRP, one does need a very good cross-pol isolation to
receive the weaker north beam signals in Valencia. With a cross-pol
isolation of better than 25 dB it should be easily possible to receive the
north beam transponders with a 1.20m dish (even 90 cm would work).

end quote ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Spectrum analizer we used trough the tests

Then, Why the signal shiths trough the day ?, why I can receive Astra 2B north while I can't receive Astra 2A north ?.

Now is time to take the spectrum analyzer and do measurements. Is very, very important that the antenna is pointed accurately and the position of the LNB is correct, an error of even 5 degrees will broke the reception. You can find a free program that will tell you were to point the antenna and the skew angle (tilt) that you have to put in the LNB.

This image at the left shows you a correctly adjusted LNB the weak signal on the middle is the transponder 3 at 11758 H, you can see very clearly the two dips at the sides of the center frequency

On the right you can see the signal sevel we get at 10:00, that meter measures over a 2A north TP

A little disadjustment of 5 to 6 degrees makes the signal disappear from the TV, you get blocks and freezing, on the left image you have the LNB correctly aligned, and you see on the right the LNB incorrectly aligned. On the image below left you see the result of that disadjustment

The same image as before but with the LNB off adjustment, you can see very clearly how the signal from the other polarity is degrading the signal. Look how the left dip disappear because signal from the other polarity is entering this one. On the right you see the 1.2 m antenna LNB, you can see the little tilt that you have to have to have good signal

On this image (left) you can see a very strong transponder that has at his left no transponder and at its right a weak 2A north transponder

On the Right you see the low signal the 2D UK transponder puts on this area

Understanding things:

First thing is to compare signals from transponders 2A South, 2A North, 2B South, 2B North and 2D UK. I have chosen frequencies that have neighbors transponders from other satellites or beams that I want to compare . The measurements were doing at around 10:00 GMT.

The TP's that I have chosen to do the tests are the following:

Transponder 13, Fervency 11.954, Polarity H, Beam 2S Satellite Astra 2A
Transponder 23, Fervency 12.148, Polarity H, Beam 2N Satellite Astra 2A
Transponder 21, Fervency 12.110, Polarity H, Beam 2S Satellite Astra 2B
Transponder 19, Fervency 12.070, Polarity H, Beam 2N Satellite Astra 2B

If you see the foot prints you see that both satellites have to have the same signal in the same beam. Actually that is not true, that is the reason why I have mention different coverage figures before, what's more, the signal level the satellite presents here varies during the day

Even the satellite Astra 2D which is way off its coverage area is receivable during some hours of the day

Levels obtained are the following:

Transponder 13 70.4 dbuV , Beam Astra 2A South
Transponder 23 53.3 dbuV , Beam Astra 2A North
Transponder 21 60.0 dbuV , Beam Astra 2B South (this TP is currently turned off by Astra)
Transponder 19 58.5 dbuV , Beam Astra 2B North

Then first question, why Astra 2A north beam signal is smaller than Astra 2B north ?. Astra claim that levels are the same, but that is not true. You can see very clearly that on the photos on the left, all the photos are the same spectrum area, but markers are on a different position to be able to read the levels.

Levels on South transponders are more or less the same and they remain unaffected during the day.

Levels on the north transponders vary around 5 dbuV around the day, therefore at sometimes during the day reception is not possible. I've been assured that the variation that I'm seeing is due to atmospheric levels, solar panels being turned off in the satellite or the earth wobbling. I doubt that any of them is the reason, see the following part to understand why I think that.

TP 13, 11954 H, Beam 2S
TP 23, 12148 H, Beam 2N
TP 21, 12110 H, Beam 2S
TP 19, 12070 H, Beam 2S

Signal Variations:

The task at this time was to understand how much, when, and in which way the signal vary during the day. To get that I selected two TP to keep track of the signal, those were the following

TP 23 for Astra 2A North
TP 19 for Astra 2B North

Transponders South are not relevant since we get good reception all day.

To do that I wrote a little application in VB that changed the frequency and read the levels each minute, then stored all that in a file. That process was repeated over several days to see that the results were consistent. Times are in GMT

You see very clearly, that variations are not the same, and do not occur at the same time, that rules out atmospheric or solar reasons. The maximum and minimum levels are different and the satellites are supposed to be the same.

Those results repeated again day after day and they are consistent and repeatable.

Levels of Astra 2A North
Levels of Astra 2B North

The image on the left is the graph of signal that I recorded from Astra 2A north, The first shadow area of the bottom is the area that above of that the reception is possible with 2m antenna, the area above the second shadow zone is the area in which reception is possible with a 1.20 m antenna.

On the right there is the levels of Astra 2B North, this time the first area is referring to 1.2 m antenna, and the second area is deferring to 60 cm antenna.

On the left you have some cool images, the first one is the emitter center of Radio Gandia, first rack is the 5 Kw Telefunken AM transmitter, 2nd rack is the UHF links, third unit is the old Cemtis MW 2 Kw transmitter, fourth unit is a 3 Kw Itame FM transmitter, then then then last unit is a old Gates 1Kw FM transmitter.

The second image you can see Gorrita on the left and my on the right, with all the gear we used to log the signals

The second image on the right is a first plane of the gear we used to log the signals, the Promax spectrum analyzer, and a laptop computer

The first image on the right is the mix of both recorded levels so that you can compare them easily.

 

Type of LNB, quality:

Before Going to conclusions I have to stress that not all the LNB's are the same. I tested a "supposed" good quality Philips LNB, when compared to the SMW ones, the Philips demonstrated to be a very poor LNB, what's more, the Philips has a very big problem, the Phillips unit has a change of around 95 degrees when changing from horizontal to vertical. Than means if you adjusted one polarity the other is off by 5 to 7 degrees, which is totally unsuitable for this.

As well the sensitivity of this Philips LNB is very poor if you compare it against the SMW

On the left you have the spectrum you get with the Philips unit and on the right is the spectrum of the SMW unit, you see that the SMW unit gets a more defined signal than the Philips

Philips LNB we tested SMW LNB, the best we found
And then the polarity, when you change polarity you get the type of signal from the photo on the left. To correct it you have to turn the LNM as shown on the photo on the right

Final, question and answers:

Question: Is there any way to get full day coverage of Astra 2 (Sky) in this area ?
Answer: I Doubt it, even if you go to a higher antenna size, there will be always holes in coverage

Question: Which is the size of antenna worth going to ?
Answer: To me 2 metres antenna does a pretty decent Job

Question: How difficult is doing it myself ?
Answer: If you haven't got experience and equipment is nearly impossible to adjust it correctly

Question: How important is the LNB quality ?
Answer : Very, it can ruin your installation, the pity is that there is not rule of thumb to select a good LNB, the only way is to test it and see how performs

Question: Why the signal fades over the day ?
Answer: I don't know, ask Astra, they might know (sure they do)

Question: Why the signal of Astra 2A south TP's is weaker that Astra 2B south TP's ?
Answer: I don't know, ask Astra, they might know (sure they do)

Question: Do you get stronger signals going more to the south ?
Answer: Some people have told me that they get full day coverage as far as Malaga, but I haven't see it myself

Question: Will you help me ?
Answer: Yes, providing you are near of were I live and invite me a beer

Question: How can I contact you ?
Answer: You can mail me at sferrairo@spamremovehotmail.com (remove the spam part)