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SKY DIGITAL IN SOUTHERN SPAIN
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Background: This document is about all the problems related to the reception of sky digital in southern Spain, what works, what doesn't and what you have to do to get the most of your installation. This document is not intended to be a "basic" installation guide, rather covers very deep technical aspects of the digital satellite television. I've read and hear a lot of bullshit about the topic, and wanted to clear up the situation doing the things myself. Initial Considerations : I've been a subscriber of Sky since the beginning of 1993, the reason for that was mainly to improve my English speaking skills and to see quality television as well. At that time Sky broadcasted from the Satellite Astra from it's orbital position of 19.2 degrees, to achieve reasonable quality you needed a minimum of 90 cm dish. Then in 1998 the "digital" revolution started, Sky started broadcasting from a new Astra orbital position of 28.2 degrees and had a new footprint centered mainly in England. Due to the problems related to the change my subscription to digital, I took some time to do it, and do so in October 2000. Suddenly when moved the dish I discovered that some of the channels were not receivable or lost it's signal at some times in the day. After seeking for solid information abt the situation, I discovered that no one has written anything abt the topic, so I decide to take some equipment and do some tests |
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Equipment used to do the test: Signal meter
and Spectrum Analyzer Promax, prolink 3 |
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| The red dot, is where the tests were done, a place called Gandia, 63 Km South of Valencia | ||||||||||||||||||
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Goals of the tests: The goals
of the tests were the following: Tks to Jose Gorrita who helped me trough all the ordeal and to Gines to let me the Spectrum Analyzer |
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Coverage Footprints: The images on the left are the foot prints of the Astra 2's satellites, copositioned at 28.2 degrees, there are to main groups, first Astra 2A and 2B wich have transponders north and south, both satellites have exactly the same footprint (as claimed by Astra. Astra 2D is a different animal, the footprint is centered at UK and seems targeted at UK only viewers First image is Astra 2A / 2B South, second is Astra 2A / 2B North and third is Astra 2D If you considered that the antenna dimensions that Astra gives are "safe", that meant that wewill be able to pick signals from Both North and South Beams with a 1 mtr dish, and that probably will be no way to get signals from Astra 2D To get a good understanding that which beams carry which programs have
a look at lyngsat
, which has been a very valuable source of information First thing was to set up both systems, the place we did the tests was the emitter center of Radio Gandia, of which Gorrita is his technician |
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| Astra 2A / 2B South Beam | ||||||||||||||||||
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| Astra 2A / 2B North Beam | ||||||||||||||||||
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| Overall view of the emitter center, with the 2mtr antenna view | That's the rear view of the 2mtr antenna, Me at the right and Gorrita at the left | |||||||||||||||||
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With those coverage footprints you can expect full reception all day
in any transponder on Astra 2A and 2B, and no reception on Astra 2D. The Eurobird satellite, which is owned by eutelsat, is leased by Astra and carries some Sky channels, but I'm not going to talk about the eurobird here, since it will be replaced by Astra 2C in the near future Reality is somewhat different, and you don't get what you think, those are the reception figures that you get with 60cm offset, 1.20 mtr, offset and 2.0 mtr prime focus. Those figures assume that you have a good LNB and you have pointed the antenna and adjusted the skew correctly. |
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| Astra 2D UK Footprint | ||||||||||||||||||
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Figures with 60 cm antenna (times
are GMT) |
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Figures with 1.20 m antenna (times
are GMT) |
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| The 1.2 antenna we did the tests with | ||||||||||||||||||
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| Figures with 2.0 m antenna (times
are GMT) 2A South transponders: All day 2B South transponders: All day 2A North transponders: From 00:00 to 14:00 , from 17:30 to 23:59 2B North transponders: All day 2D Transponders: From 08:00 to 11:00 |
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| Front view of the 2.0 m antenna | ||||||||||||||||||
| When I say that I got reception means that the picture is OK, when I start to see "artifacts" or blocks I consider that the reception is finished. All the tests where doing with a sunny day, no clouds or rain ( I'm in Spain, eh!) | ||||||||||||||||||
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| Close up of the feedhorn and LNB's of the 2 m antenna | ||||||||||||||||||
| TV set, and Digibox we did the tests with | Mark Label of the 2.0 m antenna | |||||||||||||||||
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Tech Analysis: Well, now what, the results that I'm getting are consistent trough the days, I mean there is no difference in the type of day (sunny or cloudy) or the position of the moon, the season, the temperature of the day etc. Even some other people in the area have seen the same results. Then the question is : WHY ? I do not understand why the signal shifts so much during the day and no one that I've spoken with has comed with a "reasonable" answer to that. I do not understand why the Astra 2A and 2B north transponders have different signal levels and why Astra is not giving accurate data on the footprint of its satellite fleet. I did contacted Astra once asking all this questions and this is the answer I got: |
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quote----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Our footprint on the web is fine for the North Beam of 2A.You might have
a end quote ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- |
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| Spectrum analizer we used trough the tests | |||||||||||
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Then, Why the signal shiths trough the day ?, why I can receive Astra
2B north while I can't receive Astra 2A north ?. Now is time to take the spectrum analyzer and do measurements. Is very, very important that the antenna is pointed accurately and the position of the LNB is correct, an error of even 5 degrees will broke the reception. You can find a free program that will tell you were to point the antenna and the skew angle (tilt) that you have to put in the LNB. |
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This image at the left shows you a correctly adjusted LNB the weak signal
on the middle is the transponder 3 at 11758 H, you can see very clearly
the two dips at the sides of the center frequency On the right you can see the signal sevel we get at 10:00, that meter measures over a 2A north TP |
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A little disadjustment of 5 to 6 degrees makes the signal disappear from the TV, you get blocks and freezing, on the left image you have the LNB correctly aligned, and you see on the right the LNB incorrectly aligned. On the image below left you see the result of that disadjustment |
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The same image as before but with the LNB off adjustment, you can see very clearly how the signal from the other polarity is degrading the signal. Look how the left dip disappear because signal from the other polarity is entering this one. On the right you see the 1.2 m antenna LNB, you can see the little tilt that you have to have to have good signal |
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On this image (left) you can see a very strong transponder that has at his left no transponder and at its right a weak 2A north transponder On the Right you see the low signal the 2D UK transponder puts on this area |
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Understanding things: First thing is to compare signals from transponders 2A South, 2A North,
2B South, 2B North and 2D UK. I have chosen frequencies that have neighbors
transponders from other satellites or beams that I want to compare . The
measurements were doing at around 10:00 GMT. The TP's that I have chosen to do the tests are the following: Transponder 13, Fervency 11.954, Polarity H, Beam 2S
Satellite Astra 2A If you see the foot prints you see that both satellites have to have the same signal in the same beam. Actually that is not true, that is the reason why I have mention different coverage figures before, what's more, the signal level the satellite presents here varies during the day Even the satellite Astra 2D which is way off its coverage area is receivable
during some hours of the day Levels obtained are the following: Transponder 13 70.4 dbuV , Beam Astra 2A South Then first question, why Astra 2A north beam signal is smaller than Astra 2B north ?. Astra claim that levels are the same, but that is not true. You can see very clearly that on the photos on the left, all the photos are the same spectrum area, but markers are on a different position to be able to read the levels. Levels on South transponders are more or less the same and they remain unaffected during the day. Levels on the north transponders vary around 5 dbuV around the day, therefore at sometimes during the day reception is not possible. I've been assured that the variation that I'm seeing is due to atmospheric levels, solar panels being turned off in the satellite or the earth wobbling. I doubt that any of them is the reason, see the following part to understand why I think that. |
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| TP 13, 11954 H, Beam 2S | |||||||||||
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| TP 23, 12148 H, Beam 2N | |||||||||||
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| TP 21, 12110 H, Beam 2S | |||||||||||
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| TP 19, 12070 H, Beam 2S | |||||||||||
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Signal Variations: The task at this time was to understand how much, when, and in which way the signal vary during the day. To get that I selected two TP to keep track of the signal, those were the following TP 23 for Astra 2A North Transponders South are not relevant since we get good reception all day. To do that I wrote a little application in VB that changed the frequency and read the levels each minute, then stored all that in a file. That process was repeated over several days to see that the results were consistent. Times are in GMT You see very clearly, that variations are not the same, and do not occur
at the same time, that rules out atmospheric or solar reasons. The maximum
and minimum levels are different and the satellites are supposed to be
the same. Those results repeated again day after day and they are consistent and repeatable. |
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| Levels of Astra 2A North | |||||||||||
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| Levels of Astra 2B North | |||||||||||
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The image on the left is the graph of signal that I recorded from Astra 2A north, The first shadow area of the bottom is the area that above of that the reception is possible with 2m antenna, the area above the second shadow zone is the area in which reception is possible with a 1.20 m antenna. On the right there is the levels of Astra 2B North, this time the first area is referring to 1.2 m antenna, and the second area is deferring to 60 cm antenna. |
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On the left you have some cool images, the first one is the emitter center of Radio Gandia, first rack is the 5 Kw Telefunken AM transmitter, 2nd rack is the UHF links, third unit is the old Cemtis MW 2 Kw transmitter, fourth unit is a 3 Kw Itame FM transmitter, then then then last unit is a old Gates 1Kw FM transmitter. The second image you can see Gorrita on the left and my on the right, with all the gear we used to log the signals The second image on the right is a first plane of the gear we used to log the signals, the Promax spectrum analyzer, and a laptop computer The first image on the right is the mix of both recorded levels so that you can compare them easily.
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